ABLA internal policies

* I am seeking information from facilities that have established internal policy/procedures/guidelines/decision trees to address coding and/or querying for ABLA (285.1).
* We are attempting to establish such guidelines to assist CDI/Coders with consistency across numerous medical specialties. We are also currently working with Medical Staff to attempt to establish an in-house definition, possibly by specialty, of what ABLA is.
Thank you.
Laura

Laura Reurink, RN-BC, CPC, CIC
Health Information Manager - CDI & Inpatient Reimbursement
Health Information Management
Avera McKennan Hospital
1325 S. Cliff Avenue
Sioux Falls, South Dakota 57105
Phone: (605)-322-8268
Fax: (605)-322-8104
laura.reurink@avera.org

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  • edited May 2016
    that is a great idea. Will you share when complete?



    Mary A Hosler MSN, RN
    Clinical Documentation Specialist
    Alumnus CCRN
    McLaren Bay Region
    1900 Columbus Ave.
    Bay City, Michigan 48708
    (989) 891-8072
    mary.hosler@mclaren.org

    "The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and the lightning bug."- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens


  • Interesting idea. I will be curious what you come up with as well.
    When you say 'develop an in-house definition, possibly by specialty' does this mean different specialties would have different definitions and the CDI/Coder would need to refer to that specialties definition prior to querying?
    The thing I find difficult is determining when queries should be initiated on surgical patients. For example, practically all open heart patients will meet general criteria for ABLA post-op (2pt drop in Hgb and/or Hgb < 10). However, our CT surgeons are only comfortable documenting it if the anemia is significant to warrant extra concern/monitoring/transfusions. We have accommodated this to an extent and therefore only query on our CT surg patients when the anemia requires more than the 'usual' care associated with a cardiac procedure. I doubt I could get them to agree with a standard that might apply for a GI bleed or something like that.
    Does anyone else use different criteria depending on the type of case or am I alone with this issue?

    Katy Good, RN, BSN, CCDS, CCS
    Clinical Documentation Program Coordinator
    AHIMA Approved ICD-10CM/PCS Trainer
    Flagstaff Medical Center
    Kathryn.Good@nahealth.com
    Cell: 928.814.9404

  • edited May 2016
    My experience with ABLA in CT surgery cases is that the MDs are often tracking their outcome data in the STS (Society for Thoracic Surgery) database. I believe ABLA is considered a complication of care regardless of the numeric designation of 285.1 vs. 997/998 codes. Without transfusion, I believe you will find them to be universally resistant to documenting ABLA.

    Sandy Beatty, RN, BSN, CCDS
    Director of Clinical Documentation Improvement
    Community Health Network
    1500 North Ritter Avenue
    Indianapolis, IN 46219
    317-355-2016
    sbeatty@ecommunity.com

  • Exactly :)

    Katy Good, RN, BSN, CCDS, CCS
    Clinical Documentation Program Coordinator
    AHIMA Approved ICD-10CM/PCS Trainer
    Flagstaff Medical Center
    Kathryn.Good@nahealth.com
    Cell: 928.814.9404

  • We have worked very hard with our providers in all service lines related to querying for ABLA.

    We use the following guidelines:

    * If the HGB/HCT drops by 2 grams or greater, we then review for additional clinical indicators

    o Transfusion?

    o Hypotension

    o Fatigue/weakness/syncope/bradycardia

    o Tachycardia

    o Iron replacement therapy

    o IF there are no other clinical indicators except for a drop in HGB/HCT, we will wait another day prior to leaving a query.



    * One example, I use with the staff is this: if the HGB drops after surgery ( especially ortho surgery since this is a very wet surgery), seek out other indicators. If the drop in HGB is the only indicator and your patient is participating in therapy and has no other indicators as above, we then wait another day prior to querying.



    * We do not want to query if the patient has a temporary hemodilution.





    * For our patients arriving with a GIBleed, again we look for other indicators in addition to a low HGB/HCT.

    o Consider + stool for blood

    o + sputum

    o Hypotension

    o Weakness, syncope, fatigue

    o History of use of NSAIDS, anticoagulation therapy or aspirin.

    I hope this may help !
    Lisa



    Lisa Romanello,RN,BSN,FNS,CCDS
    Manager, Clinical Documentation Improvement Specialist
    CJW Medical Center
    Quality and Compliance
    804-228-6527



  • Hi Lisa-
    Thank you for sharing your process!
    Kerry

    Kerry Seekircher, RN, CCDS
    Documentation Specialist Supervisor
    Northern Westchester Hospital
    400 East Main Street
    Mount Kisco, NY 10549
    Email: kseekircher@nwhc.net
    Phone: 914-666-1243
    Fax: 914-666-1013

  • Understood, however 'treatment, alone' should actually not be the sole determinant regarding how or when a condition is coded - i.e. considered reportable. (Ref: UHDDS Definition of Reportable Condition)



    (What about those patients that refuse transfusions due to personal choice, but are clearly symptomatic from ABLA and consume nursing time and lab resources as a consequence of the ABLA)?



    Paul Evans, RHIA, CCS, CCS-P, CCDS

    Manager, Regional Clinical Documentation & Coding Integrity
    Sutter West Bay
    633 Folsom St., 7th Floor, Office 7-044
    San Francisco, CA 94107
    Cell: 415.637.9002
    Fax: 415.600.1325
    Ofc: 415.600.3739
    evanspx@sutterhealth.org

  • Paul,
    If they refuse transfusion and we have quite a few who do, we use the clinical indicators related to the symptoms, i.e. hypotension, fatigue, unwilling or unable to participate in therapy, tachycardia etc.
    Thank you
    Lisa

  • edited May 2016
    My personal CDI practice has evolved considering yearly changes and
    various webinars, conferences, etc.



    First of all, the baseline hematocrit is where I start. Then I do not
    usually query unless there is a 20% drop in hct. This works well for
    the already anemic patient coming in with a GIB or for elective/emergent
    surgery. I have never felt using hard & fast numbers such as "below hct
    30" or a "certain # of points dropped" as criteria for ABLA. If the
    patient's baseline hct is, let's say 30.2, the hct would need to be 24
    or less to query for ABLA as I have/am describing.



    The general rule I use for surgeries is not assessing for ABLA until 3rd
    post op day for all open heart surgeries and 2nd post op day for all
    other surgeries. This gives time for all the fluid shifts from surgery
    & immediate post op to stabilize. The only time I query sooner is if
    there is documented hemorrhaging in the OR or immediate post op period.



    ***Remember there are different H & H normals for males vs females



    Examples: 1) Open mitral valve replacement on otherwise healthy 55 year
    old female. Baseline hct normal 37.0. POD #1 hct 28.5 (23% drop). Too
    soon for query. On POD #3 hct 30.5 (17.5% drop). Will not query for
    ABLA because drop less than 20%. I have found the younger healthy
    patient can recover quite nicely.



    2) Open mitral valve replacement on 75 year old female with some
    comorbidities as well. Baseline hct 33.5 (anemic by definition low hct
    normal at our hospital for females 34.7). POD #1 hct 24 (28%drop). Too
    soon for query. POD #3 hct 26 (22% drop) Will submit query for ABLA.



    The same principle is used for general surgery patients and POD #2 lab
    values.



    My personal response rate for ABLA for all surgeries including all open
    hearts (valves/CABG's)is approx 95-97%.



    Per our coding auditor, the complication code here is not used unless
    the surgeon documents the bleeding/anemia as a complication. We usually
    consider that all open hearts and vascular surgeries have expected large
    blood losses, also some ortho surgeries. Sometimes I use the word
    "expected" in my query choices for these type cases.



    If you have any questions, please call or email me directly.



    Karen Maritano, RN

    Clinical Documentation Specialist

    Legacy Health System

    Portland, Oregon

    503-413-7154

    kmaritan@lhs.org

  • Lisa: I agree. Excellent rationale and notes regarding this topic have followed. I was addressing the notion that is sometimes stated that "no transfusion = no code for ABLA as the 285.1 was not treated'.

    I agree with you, if the pt is symptomatic, a query should be issued, even if no transfusion.



    Paul Evans, RHIA, CCS, CCS-P, CCDS

    Manager, Regional Clinical Documentation & Coding Integrity
    Sutter West Bay
    633 Folsom St., 7th Floor, Office 7-044
    San Francisco, CA 94107
    Cell: 415.637.9002
    Fax: 415.600.1325
    Ofc: 415.600.3739
    evanspx@sutterhealth.org

  • edited May 2016
    Excellent:)

    Sandy Beatty, RN, BSN, CCDS
    Director of Clinical Documentation Improvement
    Community Health Network
    1500 North Ritter Avenue
    Indianapolis, IN 46219
    317-355-2016
    sbeatty@ecommunity.com

  • So are you saying that you would not query on a patient with a GIB that is anemic on admission unless they experience a further drop >20% during their admission?

    I really like the criteria you have set out for post-op patients. I am going to share this with my team :)

    I also wanted to clarify that yes, the complication code (900 series) is not utilized unless the surgeon documents it as a complication. But as sandy brought up, it is used by STS and considered a complication in their system. So while most of our other surgeons have no issue with documenting ABLA our CT surgeons have only wanted to document it in instances where the treatment/monitoring provided was clearly well above the standard.

    Thanks for the great information!

    Katy Good, RN, BSN, CCDS, CCS
    Clinical Documentation Program Coordinator
    AHIMA Approved ICD-10CM/PCS Trainer
    Flagstaff Medical Center
    Kathryn.Good@nahealth.com
    Cell: 928.814.9404

  • edited May 2016
    Katy, you are right about the GIB patient. The challenge I find with
    these are trying to determine the acuteness of the case. So, no, I
    would not wait for another 20% drop for the GIB patient. Most of these,
    if not all, would have a query written at initial review. Depending on
    the admit hematocrit and clinical indicators, I may vary the choices in
    my query to add chronic blood loss anemia and acute on chronic blood
    loss anemia.



    Karen Maritano, RN

    Clinical Documentation Specialist

    Legacy Health System

    Portland, Oregon

    503-413-7154

    kmaritan@lhs.org

  • Karen,
    This is our practice also for a patient presenting with a GIBleed. If they present with a low H/H as well as other clinical indicators, we will query from the onset if the admitting history and physical does not identify anemia with specificity.

    It is interesting as we have had several admissions for GIBleed with very little drop in their H/H from admission to discharge. However we do monitor these on a daily basis.
    Lisa Romanello

  • Thank you!

    Katy Good, RN, BSN, CCDS, CCS
    Clinical Documentation Program Coordinator
    AHIMA Approved ICD-10CM/PCS Trainer
    Flagstaff Medical Center
    Kathryn.Good@nahealth.com
    Cell: 928.814.9404

  • edited May 2016
    Are there parameters for defining how long "temporary hemodilution" would be - in other words, if it's after X hours or X days, it would be safe to say this would NOT be hemodilution. I've not been able to find this.

    Thanks!

    Roberta Bosanko-Cera MS, CDIP, CCS-P, CPMA, CPC-P, CEMC
    AHIMA ICD-10-CM/PCS Training Instructor
    Senior Director, ICD-10
    Hospital For Special Surgery
    535 E 70th Street
    New York, NY 10021
    bosankor@hss.edu
    212-774-2906 Office
  • edited May 2016
    I query for acute blood loss anemia if they meet the Interqual criteria for inpatient. This is a simple way to remember. If the patient has a Hct of 24 or less and receive blood products they automatically meet inpatient criteria. I did UR for almost 7 years. CMS also uses Interqual criteria-that is their bible.

    Mary L. Snook RN-BC
    Clinical Documentation Specialist
    Medical Information Services
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