Average Number of Chart Reviews

I could use your help!!! Would you please share with me the average number of chart reviews and queries you generate in a typical day. I seem to be a "little slower" doing chart reviews than my coworkers, even though I have been in the department the longest. We are expected to do at least 35-36 chart reviews a day and on some days I average around 29-32 charts. I have been told that I document too much information in the database, "information I feel is pertinent to the review" and spend too much time in the chart. Other Doc Specs document just the bare minimun,do not spend near as much time as me and have a "glowing number" of monthly chart reviews. I am writting this to get another Doc Spec's perspective on how they start their daily routines; set their priorities for chart reviews and following tasks. Any advice, cheat sheets or "shortcuts" will be greatly appreciated.

Regina McCroskey, BSN
MRMC Ocala,Fl.

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  • edited May 2016

    Email me privately and i'll call you

  • edited May 2016
    Are you electronic, hybrid, or all paper ?

  • edited May 2016
    The amount of chart reviews and queries we do in a day varies. There are
    so many variables it's hard to say but on average I review 25-30 charts
    a day. Some days I do more or less depending on if there are a lot a
    re-reviews or new charts. The queries also vary; some days I don't have
    any and others I have 6.
    I also only document pertinent information and I do it in more of bullet
    style. I don't spend a lot of time typing a story....it's too much for
    the coders to read and they may miss the important points.
    There are 3 CDIs in our office and we all work at a different pace. I
    think the important thing is quality not quantity of your chart review.
    Are you making significant changes when you query...are their queries
    appropriate and are they missing query opportunities? It's not just
    about querying either...is there any teaching that goes on while
    reviewing?
    I hope this helps.
    Gina Spatafore, RN
    Clinical Documentation Integrity Specialist


  • edited May 2016
    I thought I had read recently on this site or something on ACDIS of productivity of 2.4 reviews per hour being average. I know our consultant feels that queries should be on 30% of your reviews.
    Beyond the daily reviews our department tries to be creative with Physician education, creating posters, handouts, etc. My point is there has to be more than just your head in a chart to really make a difference.

    Judi Bates RN, BSN, CCDS
    CDI Specialist
    856-757-3161
    Beeper 66x2906
  • edited May 2016
    Another thing to consider is if you have developed prewritten queries for the frequent ones. We have built some that we use and then make them more patient specific at the time we use. i.e. a standard query for CHF with acute, chronic, systolic, diastolic, or _________ or unable to determine, and then we might include the patient's BNPCHF, other labs, cxr, and/or treatment.
    I do not like wordy queries when I am able to get the point across with bullets or short ones.
    The physicians overlook wordiness. They want the "nuts and bolts" of the query.


    Colleen Stukenberg MSN, RN, CMSRN, CCDS
    815-599-6820
  • edited May 2016
    Regina - I bet I would rather have one of your patients move to my floor than one of your colleagues!

    There are only two of us so our productivity is get your priorities done first - queries and admission reviews (which may generate more queries) and when you are done goto your continued stays. On low census days I do continued stay/follow up reviews.

    I shoot for 10 admission reviews per day and 10-15 cont. stays a day with an average of 5 queries. But all of those are variables. Sometimes I may get more admssion reviews/contiinue stay reviews done if I have less queries.

    I am also wordy. (As you can probably tell!) I include all abnormal clinical indicators which may lead to a query and where I found them (H&P, Consult, LAB). I also include my PDx, MCC, and CC's in my reviews. I may include abnormal CXR results . For my CM's I include the ALOS for that DRG because our software does not include that info. I note if patient is scheduled for surgery or if its something I need to check for the next day.

    If that patient moves to someone elses floor you can easily see all the activity I have generated.

    I have had CDS's who only document the bare minimum and it ticks me off to no end when their patients move to my floor and I have to practically reinvent the wheel!

    And when I train CDS's I tell them to document the way you want a patient to come to your floor. Do you want this patient - the one where you just easily pick up from where they left off or do you want this one that you will have to review from the very beginning because you have no idea what has been done?

    Because I have coding and UM background I am constantly looking for medical necessity and I code my patients pretty indepth.

    I type fast!!

    I guess the most important question is quantity or quality?

    As I said before, I would probably want to follow your patients than someone elses.

    NBrunson, RHIA, CCDS

  • Currently there are 3 of us - As of Friday - it will be down to 2. We average about 500 reviews per person/month. Approx 1/3 of our reviews are new admissions. Our query rate is between 20-25%. Less than 10% impact DRG.

    # of reviews depend on # of admissions. We review Medicare and one Medicare managed care plan. We have had months where we only had 400 reviews/person - that was due to low inpt #'s.
  • I re-reviewed my 49 patients this morning and now I'm doing my 17 new admissions. I have 196 charts discharged so far this month. I re-review every patient, every day--admittedly, some of them don't need much in the way of re-review, but I do at least eyeball yesterday's progress notes. I put a much greater emphasis on my re-reviews than on my new admissions, because they are more likely to have documentation needing queries than a brand new admission who's still being worked up, and overall they go home first. It also means I never have to prioritize, because I know they will all get looked at.

    We have EMR.

    Renee


    Linda Renee Brown, RN, CCRN, CCDS
    Certified Clinical Documentation Specialist
    Banner Good Samaritan Medical Center
  • edited May 2016
    Renee,
    How many hours do you work in a day? I just wonder how effective it can
    be to look at so many charts? After a while I can't even see straight.

    Gina Spatafore, RN
    Clinical Documentation Integrity Specialist

  • I am full-time. My brain has been replaced with robotic parts. :)

    I like to think I've mastered the art of cutting to the chase. I don't try to query until the physician has had a chance to, y'know, actually write something, and I don't try to beat a dead horse, because in the end, it's the physician, not me, who has to stand behind that documentation. If a chart is very complex and may have multiple opportunities for improvement, I quickly note them all, and then come back later and refine them--looking up coding clinics, trying re-sequencing, Googling more clinical information, etc. I might spend an hour on a single chart, but not until I've finished everyone else. I use templates on the computer to formulate my queries, which saves time, but I individualize them and pay attention to every single word that comes off my fingertips, because once the query goes out, I can't reel it back in. I work hard to ignore the pressures to find an cc/mcc and just focus on what is sloppy or vague about the chart. A lot of what I do I've learned by being a member of this forum. :)

    Renee
  • Oh, and to answer your question precisely, Gina, I never work more than 8 hours in a day. There's nothing about this job that should require it.
  • Renee,

    It sounds like you do what I do. I'm just glad I don't have your volumes! Sounds like you are doing a great job for the patient and the facility. Don't let them wear you out!

    Robert

    Robert S. Hodges, BSN, MSN, RN
    Clinical Documentation Improvement Specialist
    Aleda E. Lutz VAMC
    Mail Code 136
    1500 Weiss Street
    Saginaw MI 48602
  • edited May 2016
    The number of charts reviewed really is contingent on the unit and the day. For example, reviewing an ICU admission chart on Monday for a patient who was admitted on a Friday (no weekend coverage at our facility) often takes much longer in contrast to a simple case on a med surg unit. ICU patients have a list of secondary dx a mile long. Using 3 M we need to input much of our demographic data that really slows our productivity. In additiona we do all the pneumonvax , flu and CHF screens. I try not to beat myself up on these days.


  • edited May 2016
    I gor nervous reading your 3M comment - we are looking at getting the 3M program thinking it will save us time so we DON'T have to enter so much demographic data. Do you have an older product?

  • edited May 2016
    In our facility, we have a full 3M suite, so the demographic data
    populates from our Cerner ADT feed that was setup for another 3M product
    into our DocMS or CDIS (when we get that). A time saver!





    ___________________________________________

    Mark Dominesey, RN/BSN, MBA

    Clinical Documentation Improvement Specialist

    Health Information Management Services

    Martha Jefferson Hospital

    459 Locust Ave

    Charlottesville, VA 22902


  • edited May 2016
    Our organization decided that the addition of the 3 M update was not cost effective. We are attempting to prove otherwise, if you have any suggestions to use in our proposal it would be appreciated.

    Judy Fisher RN BS
    Clinical Doucmentation Improvement
    Longmont United Hospital
    Longmont Co. 80516
  • I use 3M Coding and Reimbursement and our EMR is Meditech. We have an interface between 3M and Meditech and I don't have to enter any demographics. All the demographics is entered by admitting/registration and then is all automatically pulled from Meditech into 3M. I don't have to choose which grouper to use for coding. It is all done automatically based on the patients insurance. I love it. Currently my CDI program is Meditech based, but have put in a proposal for 3Ms CDI program- according to 3M there is an interface for that program and Meditech also. It costs a bit more, but will be well worth it in the long run if it saves me time not having to enter patient demographics. Hope this helps.
  • edited May 2016
    Do you have Meditech Magic or Client Server? What version?

  • edited May 2016
    Having seen a demo on the 3M product, they incorporate suggestions for CDI query etc. for each case based on the codes entered, as well as having what appears on cursory exam a very good reference material.

    If these features (and others) are as good as they might be, that will give a real boost to ROI.

    Wondering if anyone with experience with their CDIS / CEDIS module could comment?

    Don

    Donald A. Butler, RN, BSN
    Manager, Clinical Documentation
    PCMH, Greenville NC
    dbutler@pcmh.com


    Never give in. Never, never, never, never--in nothing, great or small, large or petty--never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy
    Sir Winston Churchhill


  • edited May 2016
    We implemented the CDIS system in July of this year. After some initial
    issues with connectivity, I think it works well. We generate a work list
    every morning and the program can filter that demographic information so
    the only patients imported are the payers we review. During this
    learning curve, we are doing Medicare only. The plan is to gain the
    efficiency that comes with experience using the program, and then expand
    payers.

    We also have cross-trained our Revenue Integrity Specialists (RAC
    responsible) to do CDI using CDIS, and that has worked out well based on
    the internal educational helps in the CDIS software. The encoder is not
    new to us as we had access to a stand-alone encoder (3M) to use for case
    studies to educate MDs about SOI/ROM. So learning to use the encoder
    hasn't really slowed us down.

    The queries are pre-built and open as word documents that can be edited
    as needed. That was important for us as we've identified criteria for
    several diagnoses, taken them to Medical Staff Quality Mgmt. committee
    and had the criteria approved by the medical staff. We built Word
    templates outside of CDIS that we use for our queries since 3M said they
    needed to charge for that formatting service. We've included the
    criteria and the source reference that we developed and have approved.
    We went to a lot of trouble to educate our MDs on ours and didn't want
    to simply abandon content developed in partnership with our physicians.
    It's a simple matter of cutting and pasting the verbiage into CDIS so we
    can track types of queries within CDIS and get the report out of the
    software. For those who haven't developed criteria, 3M has some in the
    queries they provide, and that would likely be acceptable.

    The reports that can be generated are the same ones we've used from the
    beginning and can easily be manipulated internally for executive
    reporting. I'm working on using the data available publicly to build my
    comparative database, so contracting isn't necessary for us. However,
    we've had a contract in the past for consultant-produced reports and
    have already proven ourselves to management after 8 years of CDIP with
    the same two nurses. I especially like the options of clicking on the
    CDI button to have a list of the most common secondary diagnoses seen
    with the diagnosis you've listed as principal. You also can go straight
    to the ICD-(-CM text or to coding clinics regarding the diagnosis you've
    entered, which saves a lot of time hunting for the info you need.

    I think 3M may have hit a home run with this product. I just hope over
    time the support/customer service is better than my past experiences. I
    will give them a B so far.

  • edited May 2016
    Have you been able to incorporate your approved queries into the CDIS software so that it prints patient info on the form?

    Charlene

  • We have Meditech Magic V5.63.

    Julie Skagen RN BSN
    CLinical Documentation Specialist
    Medical Records
    Bozeman Deaconess Hospital
    1-406-522-1802
    jskagen@bdh-boz.com
  • ginpin said:
    I could use your help!!! Would you please share with me the average number of chart reviews and queries you generate in a typical day. I seem to be a "little slower" doing chart reviews than my coworkers, even though I have been in the department the longest. We are expected to do at least 35-36 chart reviews a day and on some days I average around 29-32 charts. I have been told that I document too much information in the database, "information I feel is pertinent to the review" and spend too much time in the chart. Other Doc Specs document just the bare minimun,do not spend near as much time as me and have a "glowing number" of monthly chart reviews. I am writting this to get another Doc Spec's perspective on how they start their daily routines; set their priorities for chart reviews and following tasks. Any advice, cheat sheets or "shortcuts" will be greatly appreciated. Regina McCroskey, BSN MRMC Ocala,Fl.

  • There is so much to factor in on this job.  First the type of system you use.  If you are paper, the amount of chart reviews are going to be less. if you have a system that "picks" out main terms or signs and symptoms, then you are mainly validating a possible diagnosis, but most of the work is done for you, so therefore, you can do more chart reviews.  What we need to understand is....we have new reviews, next day reviews, follow up on query reviews, and we have reconciliations to do every day. Each one of these count as a "chart review". plus, if your system is like mine, We are constantly speaking to the coding staff and helping them get to the information they need for billing. Interruptions that are needed, but do take time.  We have 4 CDI nurses on staff, and we split our admissions by 4 every day. I may have 35 active charts, and the girl next to me just discharged 12 of hers.......so you see you aren't going to have the same amount to review each day. if your patient's 'hang around' then you have more of a load to take care of than the next person.  nothing is equal.   So don't compare yourself to others, do a good job everyday and it will work out.   
    Linda, RN-CCDS 
    Maryville, TN.
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