cdi vs coding drgs

Just wanting to know how many of you are still reconciling cdi DRGs with the coder's DRG?

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  • We do state what we think the DRG is. However, our coders are under no obligation to let us know if they do not agree or why. So there is minimal actual "reconciliation".

    Katy Good, RN, BSN, CCDS, CCS
    Clinical Documentation Program Coordinator
    AHIMA Approved ICD-10CM/PCS Trainer
    Flagstaff Medical Center
    Kathryn.Good@nahealth.com
    Cell: 928.814.9404


  • edited May 2016
    We too follow below scenario that Katy mentioned.

    Dorie Douthit, RHIT,CCS

  • edited May 2016
    When I am closing out our query log and I notice that something was not coded or coded incorrectly (yest had one we had queried for hyponatremia: na 120-132, treated w/IVF, and coder had coded hypernatremia), I contact the coding supervisor and report the account number and issue. Sometimes it gets followed up but many times it is just ignored. I requested a meeting with the HIM director and showed her all the missed and/or incorrect diagnoses that I had reported to the coding supervisor - I had printed out all the emails and attached them to the queries that had missing or incomplete coding. I was asked by the HIM director why I was even looking at the encoder and then had to explain the CDI query process and why/how we closed out the query log. She told me she was going to meet with the coding supervisor, but I can't tell that anything has been changed since I still get ignored when I report things.

    Sharon Cole, RN, CCDS
    Providence Health Center
    Case Management Dept
    254.751.4256
    srcole@phn-waco.org


  • edited May 2016

    That is a tough one to answer ... our software requires a final coded DRG,
    which is automatically entered for us, we just need to close the case out.
    I, as the supervisor, do not use the agreed rate as a definitive
    measurement as there are to many variables with this number.
    Thank You,
    Susan Tiffany RN, CCDS
    Supervisor Clinical Documentation Program
    Guthrie Healthcare System

    " You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough!" Mae West






  • edited May 2016
    We do reconcile CDI DRGs with Coder DRGs. Our software compels coder to state reason why DRG does not match (subsequent procedure, documentation, CDI error, etc.) and if they cannot interpret why we differ they must notify CDI Manager and Coding Educator.

    Jane Hoyt, BSN, RN, CCDS
    Manager, Clinical Documentation Integrity
    Health Information Management
    PAV A, 5th Floor, #505
    Mail Code 1801
    Denver Health and Hospital Authority
    303.602.3830
    Jane.hoyt@dhha.org
    Think with Ink☺

  • edited May 2016
    We still reconcile coder and cdi drg's. Our coder writes a note on the worksheet back to us as to why we don't match. Our ceder and cds have a fantastic working relationship and frequently discusss cases.

    Tracy M Peyton RN, CCDS
    Bradford Regional Medical Center
    Upper Allegany Health Systems
    116 Interstate Parkway
    Bradford, PA 16701
    814-558-0406

  • edited May 2016

    Our software generates a list from the "final coded" DRGs which the CDS then
    reconciles to remove from the list.

    If we have a question as to why the DRG changed or do not agree w/what is
    coded then it is reviewed by the Lead Coder. If she believes it should be
    changed she will contact the coder. If there is still a discrepancy it will
    be forwarded up to the Coding Supervisor for review. The Coding Supervisor
    has the last word. If at anytime the coder disagrees w/changing a code or
    adding a code, etc. Then the Lead Coder or Coding Supervisor will drop the
    chart so the coder's initials are not on that chart.

    We are not held to any matching % - it is purely educational and we look at
    it as another set of eyes seeing the final coded chart.

    NBrunson, RHIA, CDIP, CCDS

  • edited May 2016
    Our program is similar to this as well. We do not have any target goals for Matching DRGs. It is a learning opportunity for both CDI and Coders. There are definitely times when the CDI DRG is the one that is dropped for billing. But again, not until all parties agree. We are lucky to have great working relationship with Coding.

    -Jane Hoyt

  • edited May 2016
    We have the same process as below. The coder has final say but they will question CDS for clinical clarification of the CDS dxs if they are not seeing it or if they feel a different diagnosis is principle. We also have a "task force" 1 to 2 times a month where we meet as a group to discuss new coding clinics, education, education for the physicians, denials etc.


    Karen McKaig, BSN, RN, CCM, CPUR, CCDS
    Case Manager
    Clinical Documentation Specialist
    Baxter Regional Medical Center
    Mountain Home, AR 72653
    870-508-1499
    kmckaig@baxterregional.org


  • I had a blog post awhile ago on this question -- we don't use as a direct metric whether the DRG's match. However, in an ideal situation, these cases represent some important learning opportunities for both the CDS & Professional Coder.

    Without repeating, I'd ask that folks do take a look at this blog post:
    http://blogs.hcpro.com/acdis/2010/08/acdis-poll-illustrates-need-for-drg-reconciliation-process/
    A lot of my discussion there is as relevant today as it was almost 2 years ago, which is sad.

    Coding professionals (with a single person in that shop -- manager) ought to have a final say, it is their core professional, coding is a complex and challenging learned skill & knowledge set. However, there is room for collaboration between coders & CDS's that will produce a real value for all involved.

    I think we've done some good work improving our process and communication, and this is reflected specifically in the P&P that were recently posted to the Forms & Tools library.

    Don

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