OB and Trauma

Up until this point, I have been under the impression that if a patient is pregnant and hospitalized for virtually any reason, the pregnancy will drive the DRG. The exception being cases where the pregnancy was truly irrelevant (for ex: traumatic fx requiring repair in the early first trimester). In these instances the MD needs to document that the pregnancy was incidental.
However, I recently read a post on the blog (I think?) that suggested that if the pregnancy was not the focus of care, that we should query the MD for this documentation (pregnancy as incidental), even if some care was directed at the pregnancy (monitoring, poss OB consult, Rx considerations, etc).
I have a current case where a women was in a serious MVC and is 6mo pregnant. Pt has multiple traumatic injuries including spinal fx, clavicle fx, rib fx, pneumo, etc and required spinal surgery. Baby appears fine.

Thoughts?

Katy Good, RN, BSN, CCDS, CCS
Clinical Documentation Program Coordinator
AHIMA Approved ICD-10CM/PCS Trainer
Flagstaff Medical Center
Kathryn.Good@nahealth.com
Cell: 928.814.9404

Comments

  • edited May 2016
    Hi Katy,
    I read your post with great interest. We have struggled with this here at New Hanover, also as we also receive a large volume of traumas and high risk pregnancies. We had a consulting company here which gave us the following guidance;
    "It is the provider's responsibility to state that the condition being treated is not affecting the pregnancy".
    That being said, I think it would be challenging for any physician to state that the anesthesia, medications, treatments, etc.. would not affect the pregnancy, much less document it as such.
    The pregnancy would always be a consideration when providing treatment in your described case and probably most cases requiring inpt admission.
    We analyze each of these cases heavily before deciding to query for "pregnancy incidental to the encounter". The majority of the time we take it to the pregnancy DRG, even though their weights are very low. We think it is the right place to be.
    Just my thoughts....hope this helps!
    Thanks,
    Linda


    Linda Rhodes RN, BSN, CCDS
    Manager Clinical Documentation Improvement
    New Hanover Regional Medical Center
    Wilmington, North Carolina
    Office # 910-815-5544
    Cell " 910-777-8344
    e-mail : linda.rhodes@nhrmc.org
  • edited May 2016
    Katy,

    I believe your correct in pregnancy is going to drive your DRG. If a patient is pregnant unless physician specifically states pregnancy incidental to trauma your pregnancy would have to be your principal. In the instance of your current case, I imagine the pregnancy guided the treatment rendered, i.e. drugs given, anesthesia rendered, etc. therefore pregnancy would have to be your principal.
    Even if the pregnancy is not the focus of treatment in trauma cases, I don't think the pregnancy is incidental.

    There is a 9/24/13 CDI talk that also discusses this topic.

    Dorie Douthit RHIT,CCS
    AHIMA-Approved ICD-10-CM/PCS Trainer
    ddouthit@stmarysathens.org
    Clinical Documentation Specialist/HIM
    St. Mary's Healthcare System

  • edited May 2016
    I agree, Linda.   Very well stated.   The pregnancy /childbirth coding guidelines Chapter 11 page 44 states "Should the provider document that the pregnancy is incidental to the encounter, than code V22.2  should be used in place of any chapter 11 codes.  It is the provider's responsibility to state that the condition being treated is not affecting the pregnancy.   In your example, Katy,  I believe the pregnancy did impact the care given.
    Jolene File,RHIT,CCS,CPC-H,CCDS
    Documentation Improvement Specialist-Coder
    Hays Medical Center
    jolene.file@haysmed.com

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  • I also agree. I’ve queried very few times (once or twice in nine years) to ask the physician if the pregnancy was incidental to the encounter. Usually there is sufficient documentation to indicate that the pregnancy was NOT incidental, but had some bearing on the evaluation and treatment.
    Donna
    Donna Fisher, CCS, CCDS
    CDI Coordinator
    UFHealth Shands Hospital
    Ph: 352.265.0680 ext 48769
    fishdl@shands.ufl.edu
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  • Thanks Everyone. I completely agree with all of you. Just second guessing myself….

    Katy Good, RN, BSN, CCDS, CCS
    Clinical Documentation Program Coordinator
    AHIMA Approved ICD-10CM/PCS Trainer
    Flagstaff Medical Center
    Kathryn.Good@nahealth.com
    Cell: 928.814.9404

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