Dx needed
I have a patient who was admitted for a hernia repair with mild obstruction. The surgery was delayed due to the patient taking Coumadin and the INR being within the therapeutic range of 2-3. The surgeon wanted the INR around 1 causing a delay in the surgery. Is there a diagnosis that would capture this?
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Are you looking for a dx to capture the extended length of stay?
Kerry Seekircher, RN, BSN, CCDS, CDIP
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I have a patient who was admitted for a hernia repair with mild obstruction. The surgery was delayed due to the patient taking Coumadin and the INR being within the therapeutic range of 2-3. The surgeon wanted the INR around 1 causing a delay in the surgery. Is there a diagnosis that would capture this?
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I don’t think so because the pt was actually in the appropriate range. It's not considered an abnormal lab value.
Are you looking for a dx to capture the extended length of stay?
Kerry Seekircher, RN, BSN, CCDS, CDIP
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Northern Westchester Hospital
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Mount Kisco, NY 10549
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I have a patient who was admitted for a hernia repair with mild obstruction. The surgery was delayed due to the patient taking Coumadin and the INR being within the therapeutic range of 2-3. The surgeon wanted the INR around 1 causing a delay in the surgery. Is there a diagnosis that would capture this?
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What was the LOS?
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-------- Original message --------From: CDI Talk Date:06/09/2015 12:46 PM (GMT-06:00) To: gwojo@wowway.com Subject: RE: [cdi_talk] Dx needed
Yes we are looking for a diagnosis that would explain the extended LOS. The lab values were within the normal/expected range. The patient also received Vit K daily for 2 days. I don't know of any dx to capture this extended LOS.
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I don’t think so because the pt was actually in the appropriate range. It's not considered an abnormal lab value.
Are you looking for a dx to capture the extended length of stay?
Kerry Seekircher, RN, BSN, CCDS, CDIP
Documentation Specialist Supervisor
Northern Westchester Hospital
400 East Main Street
Mount Kisco, NY 10549
Email: kseekircher@nwhc.net
Phone: 914-666-1243
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Subject: [cdi_talk] Dx needed
I have a patient who was admitted for a hernia repair with mild obstruction. The surgery was delayed due to the patient taking Coumadin and the INR being within the therapeutic range of 2-3. The surgeon wanted the INR around 1 causing a delay in the surgery. Is there a diagnosis that would capture this?
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Wouldnt the obsyruction capture the extended LOS?
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Yes we are looking for a diagnosis that would explain the extended LOS. The lab values were within the normal/expected range. The patient also received Vit K daily for 2 days. I don't know of any dx to capture this extended LOS.
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Krystle Bloodsworth, LVN
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I don’t think so because the pt was actually in the appropriate range. It's not considered an abnormal lab value.
Are you looking for a dx to capture the extended length of stay?
Kerry Seekircher, RN, BSN, CCDS, CDIP
Documentation Specialist Supervisor
Northern Westchester Hospital
400 East Main Street
Mount Kisco, NY 10549
Email: kseekircher@nwhc.net
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Subject: [cdi_talk] Dx needed
I have a patient who was admitted for a hernia repair with mild obstruction. The surgery was delayed due to the patient taking Coumadin and the INR being within the therapeutic range of 2-3. The surgeon wanted the INR around 1 causing a delay in the surgery. Is there a diagnosis that would capture this?
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Since the patient was actually admitted for the hernia repair with obstruction, I believe that would be your PDX.
Lisa
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Wouldnt the obsyruction capture the extended LOS?
What was the LOS?
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Yes we are looking for a diagnosis that would explain the extended LOS. The lab values were within the normal/expected range. The patient also received Vit K daily for 2 days. I don't know of any dx to capture this extended LOS.
Thanks,
Krystle Bloodsworth, LVN
Quality Improvement
CDI Specialist
St. Marks Medical Center
979-242-2327
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Subject: RE: [cdi_talk] Dx needed
I don’t think so because the pt was actually in the appropriate range. It's not considered an abnormal lab value.
Are you looking for a dx to capture the extended length of stay?
Kerry Seekircher, RN, BSN, CCDS, CDIP
Documentation Specialist Supervisor
Northern Westchester Hospital
400 East Main Street
Mount Kisco, NY 10549
Email: kseekircher@nwhc.net
Phone: 914-666-1243
Fax: 914-666-1013
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Subject: [cdi_talk] Dx needed
I have a patient who was admitted for a hernia repair with mild obstruction. The surgery was delayed due to the patient taking Coumadin and the INR being within the therapeutic range of 2-3. The surgeon wanted the INR around 1 causing a delay in the surgery. Is there a diagnosis that would capture this?
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Have you coded the long-term usage of anticoagulant (v58.61)? I think this may help to explain why the pt had a longer stay.
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I wonder if this might be a case management issue. When I was in CM we had a term for these days which extended the LOS and at this time, I cannot recall it.
Since the patient was actually admitted for the hernia repair with obstruction, I believe that would be your PDX.
Lisa
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Yes we are looking for a diagnosis that would explain the extended LOS. The lab values were within the normal/expected range. The patient also received Vit K daily for 2 days. I don't know of any dx to capture this extended LOS.
Thanks,
Krystle Bloodsworth, LVN
Quality Improvement
CDI Specialist
St. Marks Medical Center
979-242-2327
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I don’t think so because the pt was actually in the appropriate range. It's not considered an abnormal lab value.
Are you looking for a dx to capture the extended length of stay?
Kerry Seekircher, RN, BSN, CCDS, CDIP
Documentation Specialist Supervisor
Northern Westchester Hospital
400 East Main Street
Mount Kisco, NY 10549
Email: kseekircher@nwhc.net
Phone: 914-666-1243
Fax: 914-666-1013
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Subject: [cdi_talk] Dx needed
I have a patient who was admitted for a hernia repair with mild obstruction. The surgery was delayed due to the patient taking Coumadin and the INR being within the therapeutic range of 2-3. The surgeon wanted the INR around 1 causing a delay in the surgery. Is there a diagnosis that would capture this?
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The patient had a 5 day LOS and GMLOS is 2.1
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Yes we are looking for a diagnosis that would explain the extended LOS. The lab values were within the normal/expected range. The patient also received Vit K daily for 2 days. I don't know of any dx to capture this extended LOS.
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Krystle Bloodsworth, LVN
Quality Improvement
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I don’t think so because the pt was actually in the appropriate range. It's not considered an abnormal lab value.
Are you looking for a dx to capture the extended length of stay?
Kerry Seekircher, RN, BSN, CCDS, CDIP
Documentation Specialist Supervisor
Northern Westchester Hospital
400 East Main Street
Mount Kisco, NY 10549
Email: kseekircher@nwhc.net
Phone: 914-666-1243
Fax: 914-666-1013
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Subject: [cdi_talk] Dx needed
I have a patient who was admitted for a hernia repair with mild obstruction. The surgery was delayed due to the patient taking Coumadin and the INR being within the therapeutic range of 2-3. The surgeon wanted the INR around 1 causing a delay in the surgery. Is there a diagnosis that would capture this?
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I wonder if this might be a case management issue. When I was in CM we had a term for these days which extended the LOS and at this time, I cannot recall it.
Since the patient was actually admitted for the hernia repair with obstruction, I believe that would be your PDX.
Lisa
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Wouldnt the obsyruction capture the extended LOS?
What was the LOS?
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Yes we are looking for a diagnosis that would explain the extended LOS. The lab values were within the normal/expected range. The patient also received Vit K daily for 2 days. I don't know of any dx to capture this extended LOS.
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I don’t think so because the pt was actually in the appropriate range. It's not considered an abnormal lab value.
Are you looking for a dx to capture the extended length of stay?
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I have a patient who was admitted for a hernia repair with mild obstruction. The surgery was delayed due to the patient taking Coumadin and the INR being within the therapeutic range of 2-3. The surgeon wanted the INR around 1 causing a delay in the surgery. Is there a diagnosis that would capture this?
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The ones specifically related to this are:
CC 2002 3rd Qtr Pages 14-15 (Discontinuation of Coumadin therapy prior to colonoscopy)
CC 2002 3rd Qtr page 13 (Discontinuation of anticoagulant to perform procedure)
If you don't have access to Coding Clinic, let me know and I will provide the actual details.
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I have a patient who was admitted for a hernia repair with mild obstruction. The surgery was delayed due to the patient taking Coumadin and the INR being within the therapeutic range of 2-3. The surgeon wanted the INR around 1 causing a delay in the surgery. Is there a diagnosis that would capture this?
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Definitely think the hernia with obstruction would be the principal. I look hard at the chart to see if there were delays in care like slow return of bowel function postoperatively, uncontrolled pain, something out of the norm. Even if these issues are not reportable (codeable), they can be documented as delays in care which would show the reason for the extended length of stay. Our CM department reports these on each case.
Hope this helps.
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I wonder if this might be a case management issue. When I was in CM we had a term for these days which extended the LOS and at this time, I cannot recall it.
Since the patient was actually admitted for the hernia repair with obstruction, I believe that would be your PDX.
Lisa
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Wouldnt the obsyruction capture the extended LOS?
What was the LOS?
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Yes we are looking for a diagnosis that would explain the extended LOS. The lab values were within the normal/expected range. The patient also received Vit K daily for 2 days. I don't know of any dx to capture this extended LOS.
Thanks,
Krystle Bloodsworth, LVN
Quality Improvement
CDI Specialist
St. Marks Medical Center
979-242-2327
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I don’t think so because the pt was actually in the appropriate range. It's not considered an abnormal lab value.
Are you looking for a dx to capture the extended length of stay?
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I have a patient who was admitted for a hernia repair with mild obstruction. The surgery was delayed due to the patient taking Coumadin and the INR being within the therapeutic range of 2-3. The surgeon wanted the INR around 1 causing a delay in the surgery. Is there a diagnosis that would capture this?
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