v-tach

Okay...physician verbally told my co-worker that CAD (which pt is currently being treated for)is reason for v-tach, but doesn't document that in record. What is the rationale for V-tach as the PDX instead of CAD? I am having a hard time explaining this to her. I believe what is confusing her is that angina/cp in pt with known CAD goes to CAD as PDX in some instances. I really appreciate all your thoughts!

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  • Same logic we are compelled to use an acute MI as the PDX in a pt with
    CAD. The CAD may be causing/contributing to the V-TACH, but the
    V-TACH is the chief reason for the admission and the condition that was
    directly treated.

    Even if the MD had documented the CAD as the cause for V-TACH, the PDX
    is still the V-TACH as this is the 'acute' condition causing the
    admission and responsible for the utilization of resources.


    Paul Evans, RHIA, CCS, CCS-P
    Supervisor, Clinical Documentation Integrity, Quality Department
    California Pacific Medical Center
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    San Francisco, CA 94115
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  • edited May 2016
    I believe the logic used below would justify using VT as pr dx even though 3M logic tree uses CAD as pr dx if you start with CAD. Tx in your case was directly at VT, CAD. I stick with original response which was VT. (This CC is referenced if you click the '?' with Complications of CAD/Angina.) Using this logic, did CAD meet definition of Pr.Dx.?

    Gross hematuria due to prostate cancer
          Coding Clinic, Second Quarter 2010 Page: 3 Effective with discharges: July 7, 2010
    Question:

    A patient, who is currently under treatment for prostate cancer, was admitted for gross hematuria with a significant drop in hemoglobin. The patient had been unable to pass urine and was only passing frank blood and clots. While in the hospital, 12 units of blood were transfused, and bladder irrigation was started and continued until the urine was clear for approximately 12 hours. What is the principal diagnosis for this admission?

    Answer:

    Assign code 599.71, Gross hematuria, as principal diagnosis. In this case, treatment was not directed at the malignancy. Assign code 185, Malignant neoplasm of prostate, as an additional diagnosis. Based on the medical documentation, the patient was admitted for gross hematuria.

    The basic rule for designating principal diagnosis is the same for neoplasm as for any other condition; that is, the principal diagnosis is the condition found after study to have occasioned the current admission or encounter. There is no guideline that indicates that a code for the malignancy takes precedence. Because the principal diagnosis may be difficult to determine, the focus of treatment can often be used as a guide. Refer to the Official Guidelines for Coding and Reporting, Selection of Principal Diagnosis, Section II, B. for additional information.

    Code 599.71 may also be used as a secondary code if the malignancy meets the definition of principal diagnosis and the hematuria was also being managed.

  • Adding my voice to the chorus agreeing with VT. It is not a symptom which directs you to code the underlying cause; it is a diagnosis in and of itself and it's the reason the patient was admitted. Angina and CAD have an implicit link even without the coding clinic connecting them, but VT and CAD do not. The fact that the physician linked them still doesn't make the CAD the pdx.

    Renee


    Linda Renee Brown, RN, CCRN, CCDS
    Certified Clinical Documentation Specialist
    Banner Good Samaritan Medical Center
  • Ya gotta take the CAD--

    CC 2Q1997:
    Question:

    There still appears to be confusion regarding coronary artery disease (CAD) and angina when the patient is admitted with unstable angina and no further testing is done to confirm the presence of CAD. What documentation needs to be present to establish a "link"?

    Answer:

    As stated in Coding Clinic Second Quarter 1994, page 15, "a diagnostic test need not be performed during that admission for the diagnosis of coronary artery disease to be established. If the physician cites CAD as the underlying cause of the unstable angina, the CAD is listed as the principal diagnosis." If there is documentation of previous testing to confirm the presence of CAD, then this is the link and the CAD should be listed first. If however, the physician states that the angina is due to another condition (i.e, stenosis), then code that condition as the principal diagnosis. Assign a code for the angina as an additional diagnosis.

    Renee


    Linda Renee Brown, RN, CCRN, CCDS
    Certified Clinical Documentation Specialist
    Banner Good Samaritan Medical Center
  • edited May 2016
    v-tach

  • Charlene, I was responding to Melissa's question about CAD vs angina. I agree that the OP's case should go to v-tach. :)

    Renee


    Linda Renee Brown, RN, CCRN, CCDS
    Certified Clinical Documentation Specialist
    Banner Good Samaritan Medical Center
  • edited May 2016
    Renee, I wasn't just sending the e-mail to you. I meant for it to go to the general population, in response, to the original question. Charlene

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